Interviews// Tanya Byron, Head Of The Government's Gaming Review

Posted 26 Oct 2007 18:00 by
Games: Manhunt 2
SPOnG: Another thing you talked about earlier, which I found really interesting, was this idea that we increasingly live in what you called a ‘risk-averse’ culture… And you mentioned that you hope that your findings might help improve parent’s understandings of the risks that their kids face.

Tanya Byron: Yes, rather than avoiding them. In the ‘Call For Evidence’ I write about how it is important to understand that if you let your kids on the internet unsupervised, it is the equivalent of opening your front door and saying ‘off you go’…

Now, my kids are safe to go to the corner shop on their own occasionally, but that’s because my husband and I have parented them to the point where they can understand and manage the risks involved in doing this. They can cross the road safely, they can look out for each other, we have a nice neighbourhood, the shopkeeper is our mate and so on… But there are also speed limits on the roads and zebra crossings. So we’ve parented them to a point where we are happy to let them go to the shop, but also society provides other safeguards in order to keep them safe.

It’s important that we look at how children are being prepared to manage risk and – crucially – is removing all risk a good thing? Now this is a very, very tricky argument to report on. I could sound like I am saying “we should expose our children to risk and that’s life.” And I’m certainly not saying that either. There are things that I don’t want my children to see or play because they are kids and I don’t think childhood is about being exposed to all the horrors of life. I think there’s plenty of time as you get older and can understand those things better…


SPOnG: But in any area where the government is seen to be telling people, or parents in particular, what to do and how to look after their kids – there are always going to be these extreme points of view.

Tanya Byron: Sure, and I think that is possibly the one reason why I was chosen to front this review, because firstly I’m independent of government and secondly I have a very good relationship with parents through a lot of the work I’ve done in the media. Maybe there was a sense that I would be a person who parents might feel that instead of ‘lecturing’ to them that I might have something genuinely useful to say.


SPOnG: Otherwise there is always the danger of that old phrase that crops up all the time in this context…

Tanya Byron: … Nanny state! I know. Absolutely. But there’s equally the other side of it, which is people saying to government “well what are you going to do about this then?”

This is about trying to work as a democratic society to think about these issues and working together to solve the problems we identify. I mean, at the end of the day it is about kids. It is about the safety and welfare of kids. It’s about protecting kids from risk if they are not ready to deal with it. Enabling kids to deal with risk if they are ready to learn about it.

Looking at all sorts of things such as parental conversations, monitoring, moderation on online games, filtering of access and all the other stuff that you know about just as well as I do. Nobody can argue that when you are talking about kids and young people that these issues aren’t important. Well, probably some can, but hopefully a very small minority! [laughs]
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tyrion 26 Oct 2007 17:56
1/11
She does seem to ave a fairly balanced view of this review. Let's hope the people who receive her recommendations are similarly balanced!
config 26 Oct 2007 20:06
2/11
I've seen a few of her "House of Tiny Tearaways" - I'm a parent, so I'm interested to see how bad it can get with kids (and to tackle fixing the problem)

The most encouraging thing about the show (in the context of games/internet content and kids) is that 9 times out of 10, when these kids go off the rails it's the parents that are to blame.

I'm in no doubt that this is the case with kids playing mature games. Tanya's suggestion that the rating system is confusing is interesting, though I'm more inclined to believe that many parents just don't care, at best because they still think games are aimed at kids, at worst because they don't give a fsck
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tyrion 27 Oct 2007 11:45
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config wrote:
Tanya's suggestion that the rating system is confusing is interesting, though I'm more inclined to believe that many parents just don't care, at best because they still think games are aimed at kids, at worst because they don't give a fsck

Well, we both know someone who was of the opinion that they were a difficulty rating, not a content rating. And she's a loving, caring mother.

Her: "He's so smart, he's on to the 18 games already and he's only 13!"
Me: "Umm, you do know that's a content rating like on DVDs?"
Her: "What?!?!?"

When you think about it, it's not too strange a conclusion to come to, all the time they have been buying entertainment for their kids, the toys, board games, jigsaws and whatever are rated by age on difficulty or small parts. Now videogames are rated on content and age suitability? It's a bit of a leap if you don't realise.

Of course there are those parents who think "He's quiet, I don't care what he's watching." They are the ones who should be slapped with a £5K fine, and not just for giving age-inappropriate games to their kids.
hollywooda 28 Oct 2007 01:05
4/11
i would.... non violently....of course..hee hee....
zoydwheeler 28 Oct 2007 09:52
5/11
Thanks for that contribution there! Really enlightening...
hollywooda 28 Oct 2007 11:14
6/11
sorry, i didnt think of those people out there without a sense of humor, its called a little joke, look it up....
zoydwheeler 28 Oct 2007 11:35
7/11
It's just a s**t and old joke, is all. And, for the record, probably would.
hollywooda 29 Oct 2007 11:59
8/11
But!...you said?... whatever.....



(yer, i do like a Milf)
Andronix 30 Oct 2007 22:39
9/11
Well done Spong for a genuine and interesting exclusive.

So much gamer news is recycled PR crap. This was a good interview that asked some pertinent questions.

I remember feeling sick of hearing Tanya's name because there was a few weeks when BBC Three seemed to be showing her programme non-stop.Anyway she sounds fairly balanced. She says her kids play games.
From what she said, It may be that she just has a universal age rating system (BBFC) and tries to make parents more aware of their responsibilities. Although games for adults might no longer be called games?!

well done.

Andronix
Playthree.net
Peej 6 Nov 2007 14:05
10/11
Nice to see Dr Byron putting her side of things and not being misquoted and reported as head nanny in a nanny state looking to impose harsh restrictions on the games industry.

Time and time again the interview mentioned the most important point in all this, that responsibility lies with parents to actually make sure that they know and understand what games are about, how the ratings work, and if need be, tell their kids a firm "no" when it comes to them wanting to play games or access internet sites that are unsuitable for their age group.

With consoles (the 360 in particular) soon being patched to limit time children spend playing games, it does at least look like the industry is trying to do its bit. The weak links in all of this are still largely the parents.

pjmaybe - allaboutthegames.net
reddawn 28 Nov 2007 21:02
11/11
Could all this just be a front? It sounds mightily political to me. Looking into my crystal ball I see little positive result. Besides what can England do, when the virtual world is global?

The Byron chick could be well cast as a sorcerer's apprentice in a modern video game!

Pretty face, media savvy, the instrument of some gov PR initiative or other, (echoes of "Yes Minister") and some hidden agenda ... somewhere? Where I wonder? Who wants to do what and to whom? Could there be scope for some kind of tax? A sinecure in the shape of an online video Game Tsar?

It would be interesting to take a closer look?

The risk is not that dangerous games exist but rather that upstart initiatives irrupt, run out of control and wind up threatening or actually damaging fundamental liberties.

The online world is a new model, using outdated tools to try to measure it is an anachronism. The phenomenon is too young, it needs to evolve, and that may well be one of the key findings of Doc Byron's review. It is like trying to control the telephone! Daft! It is up to parents. She might usefully set up compulsory evening courses for recalcitrant parents. Now there's a thought!
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